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RANT #12
How Not To Try To Help Someone

 

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This rant is prompted by several people who I've corresponded over the years, and for some reason, get their wankers out of whack.

Many, many years ago, someone emailed me and asked me to stop using the term "tri-lights" in reference to the type of signals where the lenses are placed in a triangular fashion.  I choose not to, stating my reasons, and the guy got really pissed off.

Another fellow wrote to me to complain about a not so nice term I used for the NS police because they happen to be especially arrogant and nasty, and he did so because he had never had a bad encounter with them.  I guess he doesn't get around much.

There was also this here fellow that got out of whack because I didn't, when I sent him an email, start off the email as "Hi Mr. Yadda Yadda Yadda", in other words, very formal like I'm writing him a snail mail correspondence for a job or something.  He also got incensed because he felt I should have remembered him from a previous correspondence perhaps a year of so earlier.  Excuse me, is he aware of how many people email me every day about trains and signals???  And he has never gotten over it in something like 6 or 7 years.

And most recently, is the fellow below.  He not only beats me up on the lens color called Cobalt Blue, but the "tri-light" thing mentioned above too.

Give me a frickin break!

Late in 2013, I had someone email me to ask if I could remove the term COBALT BLUE from the then Blue and Purple lens page.  I courteously replied that I couldn't, because to do so, would be a severe violation of my responsibility to be as complete and as factual as possible.  People who do have the power to disseminate information, as I do on my two websites, have a responsibility to not only be accurate, but complete.  By leaving the term out, I would be nothing short of irresponsible.

So, here is how NOT to make friends and influence ANYONE.  While Paul may be a fountain of knowledge, he lacks the appropriate skills needed to "get along with others" and to "play with them nicely".  Some people are blind to their own shortcomings as Paul here shows off his best AND worst....

I did however, as he suggested, take the term out as being a lens called that color, and now reference the term as being inaccurate as a method of specifying the color.

My comments are in dark blue, almost a cobalt blue, and my email responses are in black bold italics....

His very first email:

I am a collector of signals and have been meaning to write to you for some time but your site takes some work to find where exactly. 
I guess he is due for some new glasses, for my contact info is on almost every page, including my old page for purple lenses!  It was just below the listing of lens colors he is beating me up over!

I don't mean to be critical
(much :-), but this last thing I just read has got to be addressed. 

Todd, PLEASE don't use the incorrect term, Cobalt Blue  in any way when describing signal colors.  I was looking at your section on Purple signals and you list blue, purple and Cobalt blue as well as the others.  These is no such thing as "Cobalt Blue!"  That is an inept, antique dealers term and is terribly confusing
(not really, only confusing to him...).  We historians in the collector community (myself, Mike, Dave, Jeff, Phil, Ron etc.) like to use the actual terms:  "RSA Signal  _______ "   (fill in either red, yellow, green, blue, purple or Lunar White.)  (I like to use a lot of sayings too, but that doesn't mean it is going to "fly" all the time, or that people will necessarily know what you are talking about!)

Question: If it is OK to use the term LUNAR to describe a signal color, why is it not OK to use COBALT?  For both are accurate descriptive terms for the color that is displayed.  I don't know either.

That is the truth about the misuse as you are insisting upon with the metal "Cobalt" as a color of signal glass. It isn't one, and that is a provable fact. In England this range of deep blue colors is known as "Bristol Blue" and there-in lies the problem: Please, tell me Todd, what color is Cobalt blue? I'd really like you to define it.

The RSA had that issue along with the others and they did solve it with Dr. Churchill's assistance by October 1905. Hence the "Blue Tested" and "Purple Tested" stickers on certain difficult to determine colored glassware. To ignore that as you seem to insist on doing leaves you open for criticism by others (like me) and experts which by your response is a bit difficult for you (and me.) I am not trying to do anything here but help you out. 
Why the need to get nasty and resort to name calling then because I rejected your request?

Nor would your personal determination of what appeals and does not appeal, that is not for you or me or any individual to decide. I guess HIS insistence for me to NOT use cobalt blue is NOT an effort for him to tell me what to do... because that is what HE decided???  Please, cut me some slack here dude...

Factual accuracy must be treated with objective and dispassionate respect, otherwise there will be someone or someones who will eventually get tired of the inaccuracy and make a very real effort to embarrass, very badly in fact so I'd suggest trying to avoid the "class issue" as I interpret your answer to me. Personally, I am only a tool and die maker, a blue-collar worker, but that does not mean one has to be lazy about doing things correctly, as accurately as possible......for the record 
Haven't a clue what he was referring to here with class or why he felt it necessary to bring it up, unless of course, he feels inadequate as a blue-collar tool and die maker instead the lawyer he wanted to be, and, if anyone is interested, I graduated in "that favorite class of mine, 69".... He has already set himself up in an elitist class of historians and experts who think they know better than the rest of us, poor US, we don't know any better, woe is me :-)

If you have the 1911 Signal Dictionary (I have both '08 and the '11 actual copies)
(he starts his bragging pretty early in our email exchanges) you know the color spectro-photometric values are listed about midway in that tome. Cobalt is actually a metal not a color.  No Paul, cobalt is used as an adjective to further define BLUE, as we all know, blue can mean a million different colors!  Just as we would call something moss green, or lime green!!!  But wait a minute, how can we call something LIME GREEN, when we all know LIME is a fruit, not a color... where do we get these dorks from???  Or dark blue or light blue, that's nice for the general shade of blue, but since there is only one shade of dark blue used in railroading, it is fair game for people to call it what they want, whether or not the experts agree with its usage. 

I do see you're nothing more than a self appointed expert. The internet is loaded with people full of loads.  He is also referring to himself, because, by trade, he is a tool and die maker, who spent his youth in the libraries of NYC learning about signals, he was NEVER formally educated about signals (or worked as a signal professional), so I believe that officially places him in the "self appointed expert" category also! 

After 6 months, the Yahoo server no longer has my replies in the send directory, so I couldn't post them here, but judging from his subsequent emails, we can pretty much tell what they were.....

His next email:

Oh, really? Then take "Cobalt" off your website or else you are demonstrating an obviously Poser (love that term! - I am, a POSER!!!!!  We're going to track his name calling in brown) level of expertise as you've decided beginners need what you've referred to as a complete list of colors. Besides, if your Website isn't a clear example of self-proclaimed expertise, I defy you to demonstrate precisely what is.  Actually, I've never proclaimed myself as an expert, I just decided one day to start this website as a single place to go to so you can find out anything signal related, I constantly use other peoples material, others who have way more knowledge than I do, and if I come across inconsistencies, I point them out to the reader with a "reader beware" warning!  To answer his question tho, his book for starters.

I have never paid for any information off the internet. WHY would anyone? Don't take this the wrong way as I am being serious, but exactly how old are you? (Importance?)  Do you know how to do real primary research on a given subject? All the way back in the middle 1970's, I used to go to the main public Library on 42nd street & 5th Ave. in NYC and do my own primary research using "The Signal Engineer" magazine (going all the way back to 1908) and the Signal Dictionaries, catalogs and many books, etc. Then all was moved to the Auxiliary Branch on the West Side of Manhattan in the late '70's (Importance on the history lesson of the library?). I never paid a penny for anything in doing this research aside from the Xerox copies I still have.  He's never paid for info off the internet, yet he wants people to buy his book... if he really wanted to help, he should set up his own website and give all of his intimate and expert knowledge away for free, the same way he is advocating for the casual reader of stuff on the internet.  While he was doing this for signals, I was in the library of Tyler TX doing the same with electronics!  :-)

Look
dude, you openly ask for corrections, but in the tradition of the entry level internet sniping type (So, by now, the second email, he resorts to name calling - good way to make friends and influencing them to do whatever it is that he says he wants me to change, so please, everyone write in and tell me who has the problem.... he probably got beat up as a kid, because to sit there and tell me that it happened to me,  well, I go back to the childish saying of "it takes one to know one", booyah), you lord it over people and provide no recourse. (I do actually, and he took advantage of it by sending me emails - he just turned into a "sourpuss" because he can't do it in a live manner) (Also, is it OK for me to start the name calling thing, since he started it first?) That's juvenile as is your blocking my inserts into your e-mail response, but not surprising.   What he is referring to, is that I replied to his comments in a one by one method so he would know exactly what I was responding to, obviously, a method he clearly despises!  See below.  In fact, that is the way my responses here are posted.

Sorry, but you aren't being "complete" by including "cobalt blue."
(This screams opinion)  You are being deliberately incorrect, question is why. Wikipedia is very well known as worthless shit (Again, this screams opinion). If you've read anything on there about railroad signals ie: a Mr. Blake having patented the Searchlight signal in 1918, that and a lot of other detailed research, I posted that years ago (Is he making a statement here that his posting is worthless as shit?). Not one Historian pays Wikipedia any attention at all since anyone can change it at any time. There are more inaccuracies in it than valid information. It's rightly ignored.   So why is it then did he waste his time contributing to Wikipedia???

So, the description you cut and pasted as "cool blue," just what does that indicate in color spectro-photometric values? Don't know? I will tell you, it is meaningless. Anyone can cut and paste. You've proven nothing by doing that. It is objectively inappropriate for you to include, period.
I made the mistake of cutting and pasting a snipet from Wikipedia on the color "cobalt blue", because he asked me what color is cobalt... ask, and ye shall receive an answer, but he obviously did not like the answer I provided him :-) See #1 below!  The man refuses to admit that there is a color out there called "cobalt blue".  In the same vain, as I mentioned above, what is the spectro-photometric value of a lunar white lens?  Yet we use THAT term!

Since you do not have a copy of either the '08 or '11 Signal Dictionary you are uniformed.
A beginner? I don't know. Ignorant regarding railroad signals? Clearly yes. Read those two, learn from them and a couple of dozen others and you'll be significantly less ill-informed. Since you claim to like this stuff why don't you do that? John's (name changed to protect the innocent :-) website has a nice free PDF set of manufacturers catalogs, start there read all of it and learn. Then you will see it's illogical defending that Trilight crap with "who doesn't use slang?" By the way, that's a deflection not a valid defensive argument. Ask any attorney.

As for my attitude, you are once again telling me what to do, (all those nasty "authority issues" of yours.) Telling me to lose said "attitude," it's plain you are the irate one here, not me. This was in response to me telling him: if you want to help, lose the attitude and be constructive in your guidance and the knowledge you have that you obviously want to share, regards.  If he is not getting irate, then what started the name calling thing?????

As I have said from the beginning, and this is genuinely constructive criticism, the term "Cobalt" is a non-viable
descriptive of glass color and has absolutely no place in the very finely controlled parameters of period railway glassware:

Todd, it really does look as though your only interest here is in the "ego" gratification aspects of having a web site and not at all in the signals themselves. I guess writing and SELLING books is not an exercise in in ego gratification, is it?  That's why I asked about your age. Younger guys think that absolutely all there is in the world is this essentially worthless internut. Not so. Not one single question from you regarding the photos I sent to you. Now that's a plain as day statement you could care less about this subject.  Guess he's not going to win any friends in the "younger" category, and if his replies to my answers were typical of what I was going to get, I didn't want to get into other discussions with him.  Additionally, why would I really care about something when he is obviously trying to beat me up, feel superior over me?

The reason I say this is blue, purple and Lunar White are ALL cobalt blues and even to some degree, signal green.  I have been looking into making new glassware and have spoken at length to Chroma Glass's Bruce Stevens about the formulas.  Did you know the blues, purples and greens are NOT Pyrex since the low expansion Borosilicate glass cannot be colored in that range of the color spectrum?  (nope, I didn't know that, thank you for letting me know, always open to learning if done properly)  They are all a Soda Ash glass with a tempering after casting.  These all have Cobalt and other oxides and colorants in the mix.  Now he recognizes that cobalt is added to make blue!

The fist time I saw switchlamps with purple lenses were an NYO&W Adlake #169 and a Dressel #162, back in 1972.  Here is a little bit of my back yard, all of this off the NYO&W: 

(in his first email, he attached around 10 or so pictures to support his statements, and to prove to me that he is an expert, now he includes more)

That Chicago L.Q. dwarf was installed in Burnside, N.Y. and is seen in the distance at the point of the yellow arrow in this June 1946 Kodachrome:

Note that Dressel #162 lamp with red day targets and Purple glass on the Ramapo #19 switch stand, identical to what is in my back yard, but the Style B will have to be a bit shorter when put up:

I have lots of examples of purple including an extremely rare "Synthetic Purple" inner doublet (with a center red "dot") that Mike N has been after me for years!

I also manufacture the XXxxx line of EXACT scale signals:

An 0 Scale assortment and a Katy Style S (above) for Mike N

I took this (and other photos, including the signals with a passing FL9) at Norwalk, Conn. in July of 1980:

Here it is now, after Phil P bequeathed it to me. He said it was the only one with bronze castings!:

Here is my Erie Style S out of Deposit, N.Y. when it was on our lawn in White Lake, N.Y. in 1980.

My son and I will be finishing pouring the concrete foundation tomorrow for my Erie DW Wig Wag out of Pine Bush, N.Y.  The only other signals I will be putting up in the back yard will be my NYO&W double arm Style B and Chicago dwarf mechanical L.Q. and probably the Style S above.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd be happy to proof read your posting to your web site for accuracy in the details.  Let me know.  Thanks.  Paul

In my reply, I stated he got my name wrong by putting as "S" on the end of it, it's not near as irritating as his weak attempts at mudslinging

His next email:

Sorry about adding an "S" to your name.  Do you see how irritating something insignificant to someone else can be to you when you know there is a correct and incorrect about it and you feel there really should be a factual and accurate reference source... such as your site? 

That is the truth about the misuse as you are insisting upon with the metal "Cobalt" as a color of signal glass.  It isn't one, and that is a provable fact.  In England this range of deep blue colors is known as "Bristol Blue" and there-in lies the problem:  Please, tell me Todd,  what color is Cobalt blue?  I'd really like you to define it. 
(I made the mistake of copying a clip from Wikipedia for this answer)

The RSA had that issue along with the others and they did solve it with Dr. Churchill's assistance by October 1905.  Hence the "Blue Tested"  and "Purple Tested" stickers on certain difficult to determine colored glassware. To ignore that as you seem to insist on doing leaves you open for criticism by others (like me) and experts which by your response is a bit difficult for you (and me.)  I am not trying to do anything here but help you out. 

Your site is enjoyable and fun, but do please consider what being a target means to you when you act as an authority
(I have never, ever, eluded to being an expert, and it is stated so on my website)  yet you insist on perpetuating a significant and very confusing  misconception.  Blue, Purple and Lunar White are all, when measured by any standard of discussion, "Cobalt Blues."  (For the layperson, I don't think if they see something white or purple, the term Cobalt Blue is going to enter their mind)   My simple suggestion is delete it from your list (and I did, so see, I did listen to him) of colors because everyone interested, aside from the beginner has the CD ROM of the 1911 Signal Dictionary and that says no words, nothing of anything Cobalt.  That work is THE defining authority and must be respected for and as the Bible it is.

Why not instead get into the never discussed subject of, kerosene purple and electric purple?  I can supply images of both if need be, including that "Synthetic Purple" already mentioned.  I always thought that lens should be placed into a CUT dwarf top marker with a split-flat purple roundel in the SA mechanism of the same type the NYC used.  Mike N has a double headed dwarf GRS SC searchlight signal that has two of those almost Ultra-Violet purple roundels.  They makes the conic US&S ones seem washed-out, really pale.

As my original intent in writing to you is the attempt at providing accuracy for future reference, material for 15 year old Johnny (I was nine when I started (are we bragging again???) with Erie Style S semaphores in 1963 and my first 4" o.d.  BLUE... NO GREEN switch lamp lens, lol)  why not clarify all instead of continuing this obfuscation?  Then you truly would be an authority.

Also and since you brought it up, the slang name Tri-lights is a localized term, one found only the North Eastern U.S.
(where the great majority of them show up!) and /or by the younger (50's and under) interested parties.  The very use of slang has it's pitfalls as once again Union Style "R's", TR-2's, P5's, N's, N-2's, L's,  GRS D's,  E's, L's, G's, Chicago Color Lights, Searchlight signals and even SafeTrans Triangular Color light signals all qualify as "Tri-Lights," or don't you see that? The use of "Tri" can just as easily mean the count, the number of the lamp units or colors used.  Soon we'll be hearing about "Quad Lights," those four color Safetran color light signals.  (I actually like that idea! - I think I'll run with it :-)  Also, to me at least, Tri-light does sound a little too much like some little girl vampire movie series... EWWW.  (sounds to me like a personal problem, ewwww)  Triangular color light,  isn't all that hard to say or write and it is accurate in at least the arrangement of the lamps.

His next comeback is in reference to a trolley museum I belong to, where they spent an inordinate amount of time making a trolley wheel, used on the trolley poles, because ones they were given by the MBTA in Boston were not of the correct diameter.....

As to the trolley wheel diameter analogy,  that really would not hold up in court.
(I guess it's a good thing for me that we're not going to court on this issue, huh ? :-)   Museums are authorities (only some are, not all, some exist solely to JUST satisfy the members) and must do the most accurate work possible, all for future reference. Nor would your personal determination of what appeals and does not appeal, that is not for you or me or any individual to decide.  BUT, by virtue of him trying to tell me what to do, he is doing just that!  He JUST does NOT want me to fully inform readers...

Factual accuracy must be treated with objective and dispassionate respect, otherwise there will be someone or someones who will eventually get tired of the inaccuracy and make a very real effort to embarrass, very badly in fact so I'd suggest trying to avoid the "class issue" as I interpret your answer to me. 
(he not real good at interpreting things)  Personally, I am only a tool and die maker, a blue-collar worker, but that does not mean one has to be lazy about doing things correctly, as accurately as possible......for the record.  For the record, he has just stated that he is a self educated AND appointed expert in the field of signals and anything else he claims to be an expert on!!!

 

Examples of where I interjected responses into his email, a practice he absolutely and obviously hates! :-)

1) That is the truth about the misuse as you are insisting upon with the metal "Cobalt" as a color of signal glass. It isn't one, and that is a provable fact. In England this range of deep blue colors is known as "Bristol Blue" and there-in lies the problem: Please, tell me Todd, what color is Cobalt blue? I'd really like you to define it. I don't believe I am advocating the use of the term cobalt blue, what I am advocating, is to be complete in my discussion about colors, as such, since the term is out there, whether it be accurate or not, it needs to be mentioned so that EVERYONE can be as informed as possible, as I stated in my original reply, and as you stated about the antique dealers, there are people that use the term (and I'm one/was of them) who doesn't/didn't know better.... so in order "to be the authority", one must be complete as possible in his treatment of subject, even if that means bringing up something that is wrong, otherwise, how are the uneducated going to turn into "the educated"???  Also, I believe the British are perfectly welcome to call the color whatever they like, so that the masses will have no difficulty in conjuring an image of said color....

2) Your site is enjoyable and fun, but do please consider what being a target means to you when you act as an authority yet you insist on perpetuating a significant and very confusing misconception (as said above, if I use the correct term, and then tell people what it is commonly mis-called, I am not perpetuating a misconception as much as I am pointing out the cobalt is the wrong name to be using..... to be an authority also means you need to be complete, sorry if we don't see eye to eye on this :-(..... ) . Blue, Purple and Lunar White are all, when measured by any standard of discussion, "Cobalt Blues." My simple suggestion is delete it from your list of colors (done) because everyone interested, aside from the -beginner- (I guess I'm still a beginner since I don't have the book) has the CD ROM of the 1911 Signal Dictionary and that says no words, nothing of anything Cobalt. That work is THE defining authority and must be respected for and as the Bible it is.

 

His next email:

Hey Todd, I do see you're nothing more than
a self appointed expert.  The internet is loaded with people full of loads For some reason, even tho in his last email, he admitted to being self taught too, he does not consider HIMSELF as a self appointed expert.  He has never worked in the field, none of his books are used by any authority like the FRA for anything, so what makes him exempt from being a self appointed expert?  He doesn't even have his own website (which costs next to nothing to run!)  Yeah, I don't know either :-)  (Love the term "loads" he uses :-) 

Look dude, you openly ask for corrections, but in the tradition of the entry level internet sniping type, you lord it over people and provide no recourse. 
(if I had a blog type set-up on my website, I would always be checking for people who don't want to play nice ot do a lot of cussin, don't need it, no way, no how - so I guess he is calling EVERYONE that doesn't have a response system the same - a juvenile!)  That's juvenile as is your blocking my inserts into your e-mail response, but not surprising.  It's not surprising either that he feels threatened by responding to something, where it is in the email.... it's more effective, and you don't have to figure out what I'm responding to if it's all at the bottom....

Sorry, but you aren't being "complete" by including "cobalt blue."  You are being deliberately incorrect, question is why.  Wikipedia is very well known as worthless shit. If you've read anything on there about railroad signals ie: a Mr. Blake having patented the Searchlight signal in 1918, that and a lot of other detailed research, I posted that years ago. Not one Historian pays Wikipedia any attention at all since anyone can change it at any time.  There are more inaccuracies in it than valid information.  It's rightly ignored. 
I'm sure it is ignored by all experts, real or self appointed, and Wikipedia wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need.  While, no, not ALL of their information can be relied on, it is nevertheless, a source of info......

So, the description you cut and pasted as "cool blue," just what does that indicate in color spectro-photometric values? Don't know? I will tell you, it is meaningless.  Anyone can cut and paste. You've proven nothing by doing that.  It is objectively inappropriate for you to include, period.

Since you do not have a copy of either the '08 or '11 Signal Dictionary you are uniformed.  A beginner?  I don't know.  Ignorant regarding railroad signals?  Clearly yes.  Read those two, learn from them and a couple of dozen others and you'll be significantly less ill-informed.  Since you claim to like this stuff why don't you do that?  Zach Gilliam's site has a nice free PDF set of manufacturers catalogs
(see, he speaks from ignorance, for I do have a complete set of US&S catalogs from the early 1900's - he should learn to keep his mouth shut as much as he tells me to!!), start there read all of it and learn. Then you will see it's illogical defending that Trilight crap with "who doesn't use slang?"  By the way, that's a deflection not a valid defensive argument.  Ask any attorney.  Again, I'm not going to court with this, so I have no need to ask a lawyer, and I'm not trying to make a valid defense argument.... simple truth is, that since the term exists in relation to the triangularly shaped lens arrangement, why not use it?  As Dennis Miller says: "I could be wrong.....".

As for the Bible, bad analysis as well.  Not one word has been changed in the Old Testiment.  Ever.  Sir Issac Newton learned Hebrew
(yeah, OK, so I learned how to read it too, and your point is what?  I have a Torah in Hebrew, as well as a Hebrew to English dictionary, courtesy my neighbors from Israel, that has EVERY word in the English language in it!)  just so he could read the original word of God.  That and invent the Calculus and some other inconsequential "things."  He jumps on my sheet later on for making spelling mistakes, and asks how hard is it to spell check something... he should practice what he preaches!!!  He mis-spelled Testament....

You did not mention the model signals.  Why not?  Do you recognize any of them? 
Nope, sure didn't, why, should I have???  They're OK looking, but not everyone has that kind of money to spend on signals, when for most railfans, it's one of the last details they put on a pike, and most don't care if they even work, much less if they are really all that accurate looking...

So in summary Todd, what is your problem with getting busy and genuinely learning about railroad signals?  You might actually enjoy it.  But you will (painfully) find out you don't know much about this subject
(nope, it can't be painful, cause I already know it... again, I never claimed to be an expert) no matter how "cool" you think your website is.  (well, it must just not me that thinks that way, cause there is only one way to be at the top of every search engine results when you're not paying to get there... again, I challenge him to start his own website and "clear the air"...)   Being a Poser doesn't go very far with those who really are what they say they are.  Most EXPERTS don't have the need to sit there and say they are, people know...

His next email:

Oh, really?  Then take "Cobalt" off your website or else you are demonstrating an obviously
Poser level of expertise as you've decided beginners need what you've referred to as a complete list of colors.  Besides, if your Website isn't a clear example of self-proclaimed expertise, I defy you to demonstrate precisely what is.  First, I never referred to it as a complete list of colors, just, a list of lens colors used in American railroad signals, there is a difference Paul!  And secondly, again, he keeps referring to me as a self-proclaimed expert, when he admitted that he is the same by virtue of his schooling in the subject!!!

I have never paid for any information off the internet. 
(yet he wants people to buy his books, a really one way of looking at things)  WHY would anyone? Don't take this the wrong way as I am being serious, but exactly how old are you?  Do you know how to do real primary research on a given subject?  All the way back in the middle 1970's, I used to go to the main public Library on 42nd street & 5th Ave. in NYC and do my own primary research using "The Signal Engineer" magazine (going all the way back to 1908) and the Signal Dictionaries, catalogs and many books, etc.  Then all was moved to the Auxiliary Branch on the West Side of Manhattan in the late '70's.  I never paid a penny for anything in doing this research aside from the Xerox copies I still have. 

You don't need to pay for information unless you go to these idiot sites you are talking about.  As I said Zack G. is a really good guy.  He has scanned and posted for everyone interested at no charge a great deal of information. 
(unlike Paul and his books)  Even the 1909 Hall Signal Company catalog I gave as a gift to the late Paul B of Binghamton, N.Y. That is where Zack acquired it on his passing.

Todd, it really does look as though your only interest here is in the "ego" gratification aspects of having a web site and not at all in the signals themselves. 
(hum, not unlike that of some idiot who keeps telling me how to do things! :-)  That's why I asked about your age.  (age is really irrelevant, and he just alienated all of those "younger guys" out there)  Younger guys think that absolutely all there is in the world is this essentially worthless internut. Not so.  Not one single question from you regarding the photos I sent to you.  Now that's a plain as day statement you could care less about this subject.  (actually, it shows that I simply don't care about acknowledging someone who is obviously blowing their own horn in a weak attempt at talking down to me)

As for my attitude,  you are once again telling me what to do
(really, like he isn't trying to tell me what to do???  Seriously?), (all those nasty "authority issues" of yours.) Telling me to lose said "attitude," it's plain you are the irate one here, not me. 

As I have said from the beginning, and this is genuinely constructive criticism, the term "Cobalt" is a non-viable descriptive of glass color and has absolutely no place in the very finely controlled parameters of period railway glassware:

ABOVE: From THE 1911 Signal Dictionary.  Not to be found there, any mention of the metal "Cobalt."

No two ways about it.  I am satisfied.  Good luck to you.

I have examples of GRS, Union and the rarest of them all; Hall Signal Company Dwarf CPL's in my collection.  What if anything do you have?  What if I have none???  I guess I'm really, really a poser then, huh?  Again, this is his way of talking down to me and bragging about what he has, and then he has the nerve to sit there and complain about what I do and don't!!!

 

Six months later, I receive another email:

I just saw that you posted some of our emails. Jeeze guy, don't you understand most people know that your doing this actually makes you look as bad or worse than you've attempted to make me look? That's since it's your website and the other fellow (me) has no recourse, no avenue for response.  (He's more than welcome to email me at any time, most people do not have open forums on their websites because they don't want to spend the time policing them.....

By this point in time, most people have had that
internet experience themselves, or something similar somewhere in life and do bring those lessons from that forward. The internet has suffered much due to such pettiness. Your not notifying me of these postings and not offering me an opportunity to respond really is just plain petty of you. See above

Since our exchange, I see that it has to some extent caused you to look into the physics of light. That's good, I'm glad you did. A more basic primer before going into the hyperbolae of nanometers of EMF as color.... etc. would be beneficial to those less technical
(And now he finally realizes that the beginners need a term they can wrap their heads around, like cobalt blue, wahoo). By the way, LED's are not "lasers" they're diodes. There are laser diodes that "lase" at certain thresholds of power, wherein they start to produce coherent light. But not all LED's are lasers as the light they produce is incoherent.  I guess he's so perfect that he has NEVER made a mistake, this is what I get for cutting and pasting from other places on my website for different discussions....

What I also can tell you is there are "electric purple" color-light signal inner doublet lenses that do look purple under ambient incandescent light. In my collection is a "synthetic purple" inner-doublet that is primarily such an electric purple with a brass bezel in the center
surrounding a cemented in single RED glass element in the center. M. North has a double stacked SC dwarf each with a flat purple, pre-cracked roundel (like a GRS SA green) but of such a deep saturated hue, the light produced is almost ultraviolet. There's a NYC shot taken in 1941 on 4"x 5" Kodachrome by one Mr. Novak, (the Official NYC photographer) of the Empire State Express streamlined J3a Hudson with an "ultraviolet" lit SA dwarf. It's in one of the Morning Sun books on the Central.

But for me, the simple issue with you was your setting yourself up as the ultimate "decider," your insisting what's to be known as blue and what's to be known as purple. You claimed yourself the expert
(Again, I wish that now, I had claimed myself as an expert so I could be guilty as charged)  on what is well known railroad signal history and changing that recorded history to suit your own website fiefdom. Todd, it is you who can't defer to expertise as it has something to do with who you are. (WTF?) I really don't care to go into it, but I could as I am qualified (On what, annoying people?). I'll spare you having to face yourself. To publicly shame someone who is in the right and then to exercise total editorial control is well, a FIB! Most peoiple know that. A LOT of people do know me, and actually like me!  If he keeps on going on and on about how superior he is over and above everybody, he probably won't for long, and that's probably why he wants to keep these emails private, and please, clean up your spelling by running spell check!

There are
indeed other people that view your website who also see this, but say nothing. Here's an example:

The reverse 45 indication above is indeed LW and not purple. How did I get this photo? Well, I took it of my own Union Dwarf CPL many years ago in my old family home. For fun, I created the upper image in Photo Shop and sent it to Mike N just to mess with him and he took it as intended, as a funny joke. But unfortunately, as a result of his seeing this fictitious creation of mine, he really wanted one, including the RSA BLUE lower marker!!! He wanted this thing so badly he went out and had a stained glass shop make up the appropriate filters and fitted them to his US&S G dwarf. He had posted the top image to the signal Chat Rooms shortly after I'd sent it to him also for a laugh as he was tired of the banal commentary being stated by the plethora of self-proclaimed experts that all knew oh-so-very-much about railway signals.

So here Todd is a peace offering, as I certainly didn't expect you to what so many know is a one-sided and therefore unfair presentation by you of me. If I had gone to that top rated (We're bragging again) law shool that accepted me some 30 years ago, I'd be making your life miserable after reading what you posted. Lawyers can do that and do do that.  But you didn't, so get over that one....


Yes, I agree, fair is fair, but...... you called me a poser, a self exclaimed expert while you sir are in the same category since you told me you are a machinist by trade, and everything else you learned is on your own. You are no more of a professional in the field than I am.  I applaud your motivation, but when you jumped on your high horse and told me in no uncertain terms that I should not use the term cobalt blue, to even relate the term to those who don't know as much about as you say you do, I have to draw the line because to NOT tell people out there about the term would be a mistake on my part for not telling people the whole story, besides, that real big signal guy in Ohio who makes it to all the train shows uses the term, as do those of us who are on the Yahoo Railway Signaling group.... that is good enough for me!......  If I have your whole name on the page, I will shorten it, I don't recollect offhand cause I haven't looked at the page since I redid it...... I have no doubt that you have many friends, just as I do, but please don't ever come to me like a bull in the china shop again, I do resent that, for I'm sure you know how to compromise..... regards.... and, BTW, PS, I moved the lenses around on my dwarf CPL so I could use it on the back of my truck for turn signals and brake lights, so the yellow lenses occupy the 10:30 and 1:30 positions.... purists hate it, but cops love it!

His next email:

Once again, here in this very email, you are wrongly defending your "right" to slander me. The actual legal term is Libel as it is in written not spoken form. 
Nope, it's called an opinion, just as he has one for everything I say....

It is still true that simply put, "cobalt blue" is an inept and lazy Antique dealer's term (yeah, so what if it is???), not a railroader's expression of accuracy (NEVER claimed it was). Over in England, the same wide range of shades of deep blue glass are known exclusively as "Bristol Blue." The term "cobalt" has NEVER been used in the railroad or glassware industries to describe signal glass color(s)(Again NEVER claimed it was). The reason is the obvious potential for confusion of indication. Lives were and are at stake. You cannot use "cobalt" as you have and yet continue to profess expertise. That is all there is to what I said.

In today's email, you have used "since I told you" as a way of excusing yourself from continuing your publicly defaming of me with what in reality,
is
actually punishable under the law. Did you ever Google me? Have you asked anyone about me or some of the things I've done? "When you assume, you make an ass....." you know that one, and in this case, you just plain did. sorry, NOT  Oh, and he has NEVER EVER assumed ANYTHING about me, right?, comon, are you frickin kidding me???

Machinist only, (lol!) hence poser, me?
YES, YOU o, I really don't think so! I am very much a "professional in the field" sir.
Back in the 1970's and '80's I used to go to the 42st & 5th Ave main library just to research the "Signal Engineer" magazine and the other engineering texts in signals and signaling (Yep, that makes him an expert, yesiree) . Then in 1982, they moved all that to the 11th Avenue annex. SEE, SELF TAUGHT, NOT A PROFESSIONAL Since then, I have accrued quite the library of original source materials, going way back to 1880. I am sorry, but it is obvious you never did primary research on signals and signaling based upon what and how you've written.

You really actually do look bad
(That's me, bad to the bone :-) to many others who have read my numerous published signal articles, my all color book on the XXXXX with it's heavy emphasis on the road's signals and signaling:

And what about those who have bought and covet Xxxx Company products or have traded prototype equipment with me? Guys like: Andy B, Bill W, Mike N, Dave V, the late Phil P (a very close friend for many years, I read the eulogy at his funeral and was one of the Pall Bearers) the late Ron M and his son Matt, Tracey S, the famous Bill S, Steve C, the list goes on and on. YOU GET NO POINTS FOR BRAGGING, COME FIX A RADAR IF YOU THINK YOUR SO GODDAM SMART! :-) PS, THANKS FOR THE PICTURES, THEY'LL LOOK GOOD ON MY PAGES  (this was one of my replies to him)

I bought my first switch lamp lens, a 4" OD Corning 10-10-05 green off the NYO&W for 75 cents at the Middletown & Unionville N.Y.'s "#103" steam locomotive ride. That was in August of 1964. When were you born Todd? How many people do you know who have 3 complete Erie Style "S" semaphores, an NYO&W Style "B" complete, or NYO&W Chicago LQ dwarf (the only examples of either of those to survive off the O&W!) Yo, dude, knock it off with the bragging ok, it's not making any brownie points with ANYONE...

SO BE A NICE GUY and take down what you've posted and stated about me and maybe I'll help you out on your website with really good stuff from time to time, ok? After all, there aren't a lot of signal enthusiasts now are there? (There's enough) Oh and just because I am a self proclaimed "machinist" doesn't mean I don't have a Bachelor of Science in Radio, Teveison and Film production and a Master's Degree in Business Adnministration from one of the top schools in the U.S., because Todd, I do.  Having a BS and an MS hasn't seemed to do much for him with the spelling :-)

Kind Regards,

My Reply:  Since we do not see eye to eye, let's just agree to disagree, and end it now, I am not going to engage in this mierda any more. PS, since you went to the library to learn about signals, yes, you are self taught and educated as I am, it was not how you made your living, hence, you are not a professional at it. I fix radar airborne and airport systems for a living, hence, that is my profession..... And no, never Googled you, no need to, and I'm not making ANY assumptions about you other than from the way you decided to attack me over the use of cobalt blue, really?, Someone I know thinks they heard of you in something to do with model railroading, but I never had the desire to find out what, because you are probably self taught on that too!..... do you attack everyone that disagrees with your way or point of view?, I hope not, that's very closed and narrow minded.....mm end edit, you're now on my spam list, wahoo, regards

I dunno why I keep engaging in your petty childish antics, but you really are so full of yourself.... you should get over yourself :-)..... and, if your signals are as good as you say, then how come every hobby shop doesn't carry them? I guess not everybody must agree with you :-) Gee, it's your opinion again, imagine that. Just as everything I say is my opinion, yep...... And, therefore, that's why "lets agree to disagree" IS a valid argument, even tho you (gasp) don't AGREE. Also, I would question WHY you keep feeling the need to convince ME that you are an expert, and keep sending me pictures to try to prove it.... I don't care dude. Those that ARE experts would have left the building a long time ago and left me alone to squander in my own stupidity and ignorance :-) (according to you.... oooops, I'm sorry, that's just another opinion)... Just as you say you know more than most signal people, I have more expertise than most of the radar engineers helping me fix shit, and, unlike you who learned thru books, I learned from hands on and making mistakes, something you have never done with signals, AND, since you obviously don't know (so you too, shouldn't make comments out of ignorance), I had to go down to El Salvador to bail out an engineer who had been there for two weeks trying to fix a radar at the airport, and I found the problem the second day I was there, so, so much for your oh no comment..... opinions, opinions, opinions, we all got em just like, well, you know...... mom died a month ago... and just before I had the pleasure of reading your email this afternoon, I find out a long time friend just had a severe stroke, so excuse the sheet out of me for being easily pissed off by your (still) ignorant comments and childishness...... As I said way back in Septemebr, I'm not trying to pass myself off as an expert like you are, I rely on you experts to screw-up.... nobody has to pay for my shit and then discover that something in a book isn't true, and then it keeps getting quoted as "the last word"......

 

 

His next email:

He is now using the method by which I reply, and he stated he really hates the method, and, by what standard of measurement does he think he is capable of making the "oh dear god no" comment?  And, I never stated that using cobalt blue is correct, he seriously has some attention and understanding problems....

Since we do not see eye to eye, let's just agree to disagree, and end it now, I am not going to engage in this mierda any more. PS, since you went to the library to learn about signals, yes, you are self taught and eduacated as I am, (then use spell check) it was not how you made your living, I have been selling the world's best scale model signals fort 40 years you fool hence, you are not a professional at it. I know more that 99% of todays maintainers know 0 about semaphores, or is that also too difficult for you to grasp. I fix radar airborne and airport systems for a living, hence, OH DEAR GOD...NO!!! that is my profession..... And no, never googled you, no need to, and I'm not making ANY assumptions about you other than from the way you decided to attack me over the use of cobalt blue, really?, Yes you are a fool for insisting you are correct when Mr Aviation the federal bureau of standards adopted the RSA's signals colors for aviation. Jeeze learn to clam up when you're in the wrong. m There is no such thing as "Agree to disagree." ALL that means is you know you're wrong an too weak a person to acknowledge that fact! Someone I know thinks they heard of you in something to do with model railroading, but I never had the desire to find out what, because you are probably self taught on that too!..... do you attack everyone that disagrees with your way or point of view?, I hope not, that's very closed and narrow minded.....mm end edit, you're now on my spam list, wahoo, regards, todd...... Look out for a lawsuit JACKASS

 

 

His next email:

Hi Todd, WELL, I win, (Sheet, I missed that we were in a competition.... darn, I would have upped the ante by saying they were both killed in a car crash) my mother died on Labor Day. My Dad 8 years ago. What is it that you say is inaccurate in my book?

I said those things just to test you and as I suspected since you have answered, you didn't put me into spam, lol! Your responding is requisite behavior of that "Get-it-Ovah" New Yawk thing. Of course I won't sue you. You're not worth the grief.

In all probability, I'd say you already know that all I have been trying to do is to help you out, nothing else, so you didn't look bad on your own website. You could and really should have kept it all private. That would have been the intelligent thing to do. 
The only reason he wants to keep his emails private is so he doesn't look like an asshole to his friends....

Actually, I'd really love to discuss the most esoteric things I have discovered about railroad signals especially semaphores, but alas, as Mike N pointed out
to me many times, you and your ilk know so little about the subject, there's no one besides me to talk with.  I guess, the way he makes it sound, that he is the only one in the world living that is an expert on signals... And I guess there is absolutely no-one on the Railway Signaling group that knows JackSquat....

By the way, being employed in a given field means only that you are able to do the assigned tasks, nothing more. Today's signal maintainers know absolutely nothing about the development and types of semaphores and searchlight signals.
(Maybe because it's not needed in their job????? Just maybe?... He forgets that this is a job for 99% of these guys, not a hobby, not an obsession, it's just a job)  But Jerry M of Hancock, N.Y. who got
me my first Erie semaphore and who was the Chief Superintendent of Signals on the Delaware Division of the Erie, then Erie Lackawanna and finally Conrail was a friend of mine. I learned a great deal from him those 35 years ago. He was in his 50's back then and knew all there was to know. Not today's young jerks who only do the minimum, who regularly drink and drug themselves into a total stupor and screw off the rest of the time. (maybe where he works as a tool and die maker it is)  Sound familiar?  Yes it does, he is again placing himself ABOVE almost everyone he can think of...

As a radar "expert," What do you know about the development about your radar systems?
I' m quite, sure absolutely nothing. (He's assuming again, because it makes him feel superior, and again Paul, I never claimed to be an expert in the field, I just know my shit when it comes to electronics because I read every book I could get my hands on as a kid, besides, isn't that the way he became a self proclaimed expert?... can we say YES!!!)  My father was very much involved in designing Radar during WWII. (had to be after my company, Westinghouse, came out with the first radar, in use in Hawaii during the attack on Pearl Harbor, so I guess he worked for the number 2 company, and not the experts)  But as a Scientist for the DOD, after the war, he headed up the maintainability and reliability of the BQQ 4&5 Attack Submarine Sonar systems for the 688's; or as you may have heard of them, the Los Angeles Class Nuclear Attack subs of the US Navy, like the "Dallas" in that very silly movie (As silly as he may make it out to be, it was still a good and fun movie, and show me a Hollywood movie that isn't just the slightest incorrect), Red October.  Nope, never heard of his father either, just as I had never heard of him, but we're back to the bragging thing again, why does he feel the need to do KEEP this one upmanship thing???.....

Now I will explain why XXX signals are not available in "Hobby Shops." That's for three reasons;

1) Hobby shops: WHAT HOBBY SHOPS?? They have almost all closed due to the internet. The few that remain sell only high volume junk toys, not the very best high-end scale models. If you know what a brass locomotive,
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he leave an "is" out here, jeeeez, why doesn't this guy see he is just as bad at this as I am???... And no, I didn't leave it out to make a point)  I want you to go and tell me the name of an open hobby shop in your area that sells those. I mean it, go and do it! (Actually the local Hobbytown guy does, but he has built up quite a business for himself)  These signals are obviously the only scale signals that have ever been produced. I started making the searchlights in 1974, that's 40 years ago dude! I have sold THOUSANDS of them!  I guess this is why he can live around the corner from a Rolls dealer, while I live in squalor in a $450K/house neighborhood :-)

2) I see you don't understand marketing channels of distribution for some reason. Distributors buy at 55% off retail and resell to hobby shops. I wouldn't make anything on a $200 semaphore at that rate. Yes that is what I charge per signal. Add $50 if you want it motorized.

They take quite a while to build from the very expensive lost wax cast brass and photo-etched components they're made from. You saw the B&W catalog photos I attached to my last email and yet you still say they aren't any good. What's wrong with you? Something's not quite right with your mind or else you wouldn't; a) challenge that; b) correlate expertise with employment; and c) make the looney claim that quality is measured by availability. Where's your nearest Rolls Royce dealer? Mine is only 3 miles from here, around the corner from my son's High School in La Jolla, California. Is yours next door to the local Ford place? I don't think so.
(Can SOMEONE please tell me WTF a Rolls dealer has to do with signals, or are we just making another weak attempt at bragging about where he lives - if anyone knows about Ruxton MD where I grew up, they would know that's where the people buying them thar Rolls Royce's live!!!)  You have this need to have a web thing about something as obscure as choo-choo signals in the first place. WHY?  I can easily turn that one around by asking him why he would spend so much time in becoming an "expert" in something, as he says, "obscure", and then go on to author a book on something that is so obscure..... WHY???
 
3) I dare you to open the attached eBay sales page of a single arm Style B Exact scale H0 semaphore KIT that I produced some 30 years ago (I took the kits out of production way back in 1986.) Adjust that $34.00 sticker for inflation and you'll see the kit should be about $150 based on standard rates of inflation, so this guy got a real deal at $103 plus shipping! Now add to that price, 5 hours of skilled soldering to build it. THAT'S why they are not in hobby shops!

I swapped two built H0 (Notice his use of the number instead of the letter in HO) signals, one double and a single-armed Style "B" with Les M, the Southern Pacific's Chief Superintendent of Signaling. That was back in April of 1991. In exchange for those two H0 models, he had the railroad load one each of the real things onto my rented stake bed truck in Hyder, Arizona in exchange. I have photos. Fair swap I'd say! When Les and his good friend Bill S (another S.P. Signal Superintendent friend of mine) both said (and they did) that I was indeed a signal expert, then you youngster, know this: I AM A SIGNAL EXPERT!  I know we can't educate this guy on ANYTHING, but he IS younger than I am.  He makes an assumption, but this time, he is only making an arse out of himself :-)

From your phraseology and form of argument, you are using the psychological term "projecting." That projecting of your own shortcomings onto others. In this case, it's me but I have no doubt onto many others on a regular basis.  See, he is wrong again, for anyone who has had the pleasure of meeting me in person, knows that I freely admit to not knowing something when I don't know nothing about something :-).....

None of what I said regarding signals or signal glass color was opinion. Look at the page below from my original copy of the 1911 Signal Dictionary, specifying the 1905 RSA Signal Standard Glass colors. ABSOLUTELY NO mention of "cobalt."

Your claiming of externally verifiable facts as "opinion" doesn't make them so. I'd say you've had an abusive childhood.
(Gee, now we're playing shrink?)  No doubt your father beat you, that is if you knew him.  (How does this guy get to be so frickin smart?  Just how does he do it?  I wish I could be like him when I grow up, able to analyze anyone from a few email exchanges!!!)   Otherwise, why set yourself up as an expert without bothering to find anything substantial about a given subject and then regularly demonstrating that you do know nothing on that insignificant website of yours? To any casual observer you so often demonstrate your complete and total ignorance of railorad signals and virtually every subject discussed. "LED's are lasers." That is sad, really and truly sad.

Good luck.

And my reply:  First, I do check my spam box, for there are emails that don't belong in there all the time.

 
Second, I never eluded there being anything wrong with your book, because I have never seen it, so I can not comment on it......
 
AND, I also did not berate your signals other than to say "if they are as good as you say", since I haven't seen them in person, I cannot not really pass judgment on them either.
 
The reason we both keep sending emails back and forth is because we are both type A personalities, and we each have the need to have the last say :-) My mother and I used to engage in the same type of no-win conversations.

I do tho wish I knew as much as you did on everything, you're just like the engineer I was in El Salvador, who did the same thing with me as you have been doing since email #1, trying to make me feel inferior with your "superiority" by the game of perpetual one-upmanship, in any topic we may engage on. I wasn't trying to win anything by telling you about mom, but somehow you turned it into a competition with your reply to my statement, prove me wrong.
 
And as a last resort, you try to prove your superiority by psycho-analyzing me. I don't mind it so much, because your way off base on everything you have second guessed.
 
BTW, what color would you say is admiralty green? And how does one characterize a railroad lens in that color? I'd say it is about as descriptive as cobalt blue, wouldn't you? Would you tell all the people that collect royal blue colored glassware as being posers too? :-) And while we're on the topic, lunar white is not a really accurate description of a color's hue either, is it? Yet, we use the term.

You also criticized my spelling, but if you go back over your own emails, you will find as much misspelling as there is in mine, and, regardless of whether or not things are spelled right, you somehow manage to understand. Booya.
 
And finally, in your need to sit there and again, try to demean me and my website as being insignificant, as I kinda said in my last email, what does it matter to you if what I say is correct or not?????? Double Booya.  If you really feel that my website is as insignificant as you believe, please, by all means, put up your own and give away all that knowledge instead of selling it. I started my website to have fun, at no cost to the user, and no ads, but it seems like you got into it to make money...

These conversations didn't take a nosedive until I told you I wouldn't take cobalt blue out of my description, and because you're an "expert", you couldn't accept someone not taking your advice (or whatever your reason was for getting pissed off). You've been trying to bully me since that point and make me feel inferior, talk about SAD!!! :-) And talking about Bible's, I guess you don't practice the Golden Rule much, huh?
 
You are right about one thing however, that an outsider listening in on our "conversation" would not be able to tell who the asshole is, so I took our dialog off the page.
 
WHAT-ever

 

His next email:

Lunar White accurately matches the color of the moon at it's zenith. It like signal blue, is a cobalt oxide colored blue glass if you weren't aware. Less copper and iron oxide though.

Admiralty green as in blue-green, an aqua green, like the sea. Pretty straight forward.
Not at all deceptive, nothing like using the name of a metal oxide that is white until blended into and melted with silica to create colored glass. I haven't seen the term admiralty green show up in any "official" references, so why is it OK to use it to describe green, when cobalt is NOT OK to describe a blue shade?

WHY don't you understand the color table on the Signal Dictionary's page I sent? It's self explanatory, unless you are not very good at abstract concepts. I expect you to take that as an insult. It's an observation based on all this back and forth crap. 
If he thinks all this back and forth banter is crap, then how come HE continues to participate???

As for you apparently continually being berated, you could reduce that somewhat by modifying that "edge" to your personality.
(Likewise)  Stop taking everything as a personal challenge. (Again, likewise)  Round that edge off a bit. (Yet again, likewise)  It is clear other people do know far more than yourself on railroad signals.  (again, for like the millionth time, I told him I'm not an expert, he is the one who keeps insisting I say I am)   Yet you can't or won't whatever learn more on your own. Instead you start a poser web site looking for other people who know less than yourself on the given subject in order to bolster your flagging ego. (Ewwwwww, it's nothing like his bragging at all, eh?)  So many people do just this sort of thing. (Like him?????)  Other people have names for the ones that do that.  Let's hear them, I'm a big guy, I can take it....

The engineer you mentioned reacted to you as I and others have because more than a
"Type A Personality," (sorry but you do not have one) (gee, he is again playing shrink, is there nothing that this guy can't do, I'm just so frickin impressed by all of his self taught talents, phew, makes me tired! :-)  it's your insecurities directing the majority of your behavior. A "Type A Personality," is simply driven to achieve more than mediocrity. (No ,not really, he DOES need to read more on this!... Maybe he should bury his head in something besides signal books :-)  That behavior does not correlate with your "sliding" on the research needed to comprehend this or I suspect any other subject. (Now he thinks he knows me like we're best friends or something)  Unlike you, I am self driven, very much so. I have produced some of what has been called by others "the word's best."  and no doubt, by himself too!

So, my issue with you is your disrespecting other people, in this case, me. (When you first meet someone, you don't know them, so respect hasn't been earned, therefore, it can't be given, and he has not shown me or told me anything to change my mind that he should be respected)  You do not defer when your argument has been totally demolished. Root word of "deference," which is what one should do when bested, as you have been.   You keep writing to me because you are bored (I AM bored, playing with him is a bit like a cat playing with a half dead mouse) and have nothing else. I do because I want those private emails taken off your site. That's all.  As for what you took as a competition about your mother, once again, you just don't understand (Yeah, I don't understand his continued efforts at one-upmanship???) . It's like this, you aren't the only one who has suffered. You sound like you're still a real loner cry baby Ouch, now that hurt :-)

I'm done. Bye.
 

Throughout all of his email exchanges, he has sent me oodles of photos, by which I guess he has given me right to use since the emails are personally addressed to me!

Also, if he wants to be technically correct, then he should be inserting TWO spaces in between a period and the next letter instead of one, after all, it is only proper English!

Please, if you have something you would like me to change, DO NOT use this guy's approach!!!

It just ain't right.


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